Last yearI wrote a post forThe Grow Networkon Straw Bale Gardening … and along came Joel Karsten to attack me , the internet site itself , and other commenters there .
He writes :
“ This clause is EXTREMELY deceptive . Many introductory fact counter to the authors agenda are simply , maybe purposefully , leave out . sell straw or hay spray with the lean herbicides is “ off lable ” use and therefore illegal . Farmer would be extremely unlikely to ever allow their crop to enter this market place . In addition while this clause makes many claims which might lead reader to think this is an issue on a large scale , the fact is that very few existent cases where this has happened have ever been actually document . These involve hay Basle , and not stubble . To my cognition , not a single documented case exist of pale yellow causing this result . I have 23 year of wide experience with straw bale horticulture , and my opinion is that this clause is simply “ click bate ” try on to create controversy where none should exist . ”
To this , Pam answer :
“ No . Sorry , but you are but wrong . Almost all shuck is spray nowadays , not only for weeds , etc but also to dessicate the grain more rapidly .
I bought round Bale of stalk for a knight shelter and almost 15 years later , there is still no sign of anything sprouting out of the straw . I had n’t suppose to ask at the sentence , but clear it ’d been sprayed .
Not that many people yet employ glyphosates on hay , but some do , for the same reasonableness . thing have change a lot .. I first saw what could happen when friends had to corrupt hay one yr and every single one of their maria aborted ; when they finally looked at the hay , they found it had been dessicated , something that none of us had ever draw across before so it never crossed anyone ’s idea to ask!!this year I see ads that proudly ADVERTISED the fact that the hay had been dessicated !
I survive in the prairies , where grain is grown on farm from pocket-sized up to town in size of it , and it is getting harder and hard to find straw that has n’t been spray . It is the norm now . granger have been state for old age that it ’s safe .. just as doctors used to assure masses it was good to smoke … so because they consider that they not only sell it , but they trade it for provender extender as well as bedding .
thou of gardens in Britain were poisoned by contaminated manure . That merchandise is no longer trade but it was too former for the garden . I once got one bale of hay in a semiload that must have been spray with something .. it depend normal , but where it had sat on the ground NOTHING would grow for almost 8 yr . NOTHING . not even the tough of green goddess . I still do n’t know what was in it , but now , almost 12 years later , the grass is ultimately filling in the area .
None of the studies saying this stuff safe have been done by government activity , they have just taken Monsanto ’s word for it . Not the Canadian governance , not the American authorities . If you actually look at ANY of the studies done by anyone not being give by Monsanto et al . you will discover that the results are constantly that it is NOT safe , that is DOES appease in the soil for at least a year . It ’s been scientifically linked to genus Cancer , diabetes , autism , leaky gut and a host of other disease . It ’s been banned in three countries for get an epidemic of kidney failure deaths in farmers , specifically trace to glyphosate , and even the WHO says it is likely to cause human cancers .
This is authoritative stuff for people to screw , it is n’t just click come-on , it ’s bringing people real information on just how dangerous the earth has become , when husbandry bank on envenom the food we eat . ”
But then Joel Karsten amount back with this comment :
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4866614/
So are the EPA and the NIH say the the true in the above link to two most recent studies that all the hype over the toxicity of Glyphosate aka Round - Up , is total bunk ? By the penetrative measure of LD50 , glyphosate is indeed less toxic than either caffeine or mesa salt . It has an LD50 of 5600 mg / kg ground on oral ingestions in rats , according to EPA appraisal , placing it in Toxicity Category III . Did you make love that the LD50 ( deadly sexually transmitted disease of 50 % of bring out ) Coffee is 192 mg / kg which means coffee berry is 29 clock time as deathly to a humans as Round - Up . Keep your foreland in the George Sand if you want , but do n’t prove to educate me about the use of Ag Chemicals until you get your basic fact in monastic order .
The attempt to rig people ’s opinions by those who do not even a basic intellect of FACTS , is very thwarting . People like the author of this clause who simply read propaganda and recites as fact anomaly natural event that are neither check nor assess based on any scientific proficiency or protocols . Your argumentation are interchangeable to people that used to be convince that the ground was flavourless , but because they did not understand basic science nor would they listen to those who tried to reason out with them . Keep up the ignorance at abode because nobody will protect you from yourself , but do n’t seek to spread out that ignorance to others publically and expect to never be challenged for your ignorance .
This clause is completely “ Clickbate ” . Understand that the possessor or this web log gets pay by his advertizer base on how much dealings he bring forth . I am sorry to those who consider a Scripture of it , many of you are simply victims of this generator ’s ignorance and deceitful intent to generate click . ”
So , Joel is call myself and another nurseryman in the thread ignorant , deceive manipulators without a canonical understanding of fact … and more … and well , lease ’s not drop the whole day listing names , shall we ?
Really , respond to this form of attack is almost too easy . Almost like :
Except I care that Joel better than this one .
But answer I shall .
So whoisJoel Karsten , you ask ?
He ’s the guy rope who runsStrawBaleGardens.comand is the generator of the bookStraw Bale Gardens .
Yet here he shows up to say my experiences with foresighted - term herbicides are “ standardised to people that used to be convinced that the earth was prostrate ”
And he says“Keep up the ignorance at rest home because nobody will protect you from yourself , but do n’t seek to spread that ignorance to others publicly and expect to never be challenged for your ignorance . ”
Well , guess what Joel Karsten , author ofStraw Bale Gardens … you seem to be a bitsociallychallenged .
Your troll and sanctimonious mental attitude has been observe .
Ah , the irony of a guy who spell “ This article is completely “ Clickbate ” . Understand that the owner or this blog gets pay off by his advertisers based on how much dealings he sire . I am sorry to those who believe a word of it , many of you are just victims of this generator ’s ignorance and double-dealing intent to return dog … ”
… and allege this while really running the siteSTRAWBALEGARDENS.COM .
Projection , perhaps ? How do you get paid , Joel ? Are you give your books away for liberal ?
Note also that Joel Karsten try on to rebut the pesticide point by quoting regime sources on their prophylactic .
Oh yes , Joel , we believe the government . We are good citizens , Joel .
We need to think the government activity , correct ? If we did n’t , we might stop constitute straw bale garden and you ’d lose sales .
Methinks you project too much , Mr. StrawBaleGardens.com .
adjudicate showing some civility before you roast another garden writer for sharing his point of view .
I have had nasty experiences with long - term pesticide and am interested in seeing people ’s garden delay alive .
And yes , I do publish for money .
This is part of “ being an author , ” something Troll Karsten should know something about .
Look , if there are potentially serious trouble with your gimmicky gardening style , well then , endeavor to defend it . say people how they ’re wrong without bear they ’re flat - earthers who are hunt for gardeners to lead on .
I ’ve certainly been wrong before . Many times . I evenbecame friends with one critic who counterbalance some of my assumptions .
unluckily , Karsten ’s braggart list of contumely was childish … much like his spelling , punctuation and capitalization . I ’m surprised he deal to get publish , considering his lack of basic English skill .
My article was n’t a personal attack but it ’s personal now .
I did n’t even know who Joel was before he came in to call me name … yet now his hypocrisy and vituperation are preserved and present for all of you to see . I might have been convert to write a follow - up post if he had simply mouth reasonably .
Next meter , rebut the point rather than attacking the author , Joel .
Especially an author with my motto .
